Monday, September 29, 2008

Careless communion

The most neglected passage scripture of all time! COMMUNION!!!!!!!!!
I Corinthians 11:27-34
27 Therefore whoever eats this bread or drinks this cup of the Lord in an unworthy manner will be guilty of the body and blood of the Lord. 28 But let a man examine himself, and so let him eat of the bread and drink of the cup. 29 For he who eats and drinks in an unworthy manner eats and drinks judgment to himself, not discerning the Lord’s body. 30 For this reason many are weak and sick among you, and many sleep. 31 For if we would judge ourselves, we would not be judged. 32 But when we are judged, we are chastened by the Lord, that we may not be condemned with the world. 33 Therefore, my brethren, when you come together to eat, wait for one another. 34 But if anyone is hungry, let him eat at home, lest you come together for judgment. And the rest I will set in order when I come.

Even among the 'reformed', even among those who would stress 'regeneration and it's fruits' seem prone to ignore this warning. I am reminded of this every single time communion is served. I'm reminded of this every time you see every child, teen, and adult partake in this communion. I'm fearfully reminded by the carelessness of parents who can't possibly believe these scriptures when they allow their children to partake of communion even when they would be slow to say that they are saved. How much more of a warning do you NEED? This is CHILD ABUSE, for the minister who oversees this ordinance it's PASTORAL NEGLECT!
You MUST warn EVERY single time, because it's a solemn ordinance. To take out the fear in communion, takes away it's value and uniqueness. WHO'S to blame? The minister if he doesn't warn (not just a brief mention but a forceful warning). The individual if he doesn't care, and also the parent if he/she (especially the father) doesn't use his authority to withhold or allow it.
LET ME BREAK FOR A MOMENT: If you even have the slightest thought that what i am saying is to harsh, then read over once again those scriptures, to the biblically illiterate it would seem that these verses should be from the Old Testament-consider Aaron's sons! To think that is plain HYPOCRISY, never would you apply those thoughts the laws of nature! For instance if you saw a child starting to climb a rail that overlooked a 100ft cliff, and the parent came strolling over saying 'Oh, Johnny, you need to be careful, come on let's go' you'd immediately think or say "hey lady are you crazy, you child could have died and you treated it like he was climbing a chair?".
Please i beg you read and re read these scriptures and apply them to your family and to your flock. Warn the lost (unchurched) and even warn greater the naive church attender or Parent of a lost child that this is a most solemn ordinance that must not be taken lightly-- and then watch how the flock responds. If you start to see the elements being passed then praise the Lord, but if 'everyone' still takes it, CRY OUT for the LORD not to KILL them!



I responded to your comment against Christians drinking Here.

I'm curious how you understand the words not recognizing "the Lord's body". Some think it is talking about "Jesus spiritial presence"; most believe he means "our fellow Christians" when he says the Lord's body. I agree it is a strong warning to the church.

Julius Mickel

Well my first thoughts are suspicion ---I have no desire to argue back and forth (it's so time consuming and for me usually not fruitful) I say this because you didn't reveal your thoughts
1st- curious really? anyways i'll leave it at that.


Yes. I was curious because you are taking quite a strong stand. So I wondered if you think people are dying because they are not recognizing Jesus or dying because they are coming to the Lord's table, getting drunk and whatnot and not recognizing their fellow believers.

Personally, I think it is speaking about Jesus spiritual presence, as Calvin understood communion. And so I don't think the Lord's table is merely a symbol, and thus people coming to the Lord's table without recognizing Jesus' spiritual presence are getting sick and dying. That is what I think it is talking about. But most people I've talked to believe the Lord's table is just a symbol and thus that passage is talking about not recognizing their fellow Christians. But that seems unlikely to me in light of the severe consequences involved.

Wat do you think?

Julius Mickel

Well the explicit warning concerning Christ is in verse27: I think Paul is from v23-32 laying the doctrinal foundation (apart from the problem in Corinth) and then gets problem-specific in v33
I don't know if i'd lean as heavy as Calvin on that, certainly i think it's still talking about Christ, His presence (NOTE TO ALL: WE ARE NOT talking about the ROman Catholic view or the classic LUTHERAN view) either way you interpret you can't escape the warning blessings

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